E12 S1| The Body Is a Realm of Wild Discovery - Erin Pace Shares How Unstructured Movement Can Re-establish Trust In the Body (Pt. 1)

In this episode of the Sick and Seeking Podcast, I sit down with Erin Pace, a somatic therapist, embodiment guide, intuitive body reader, soul coach, and meditation facilitator. Erin shares insights on achieving wholeness and trust in our bodies through supportive environments.

This is the first of two discussions with Erin, focusing on body awareness and healing.

Conversation Highlights:

• Exploring the Body: Erin discusses how connecting with our bodies opens up space for self-discovery.
• Presence and Aliveness: We highlight the importance of being present with our sensations, leading to a more joyful experience.
• Chronic Illness and Distrust: Living with chronic illness can foster disconnection, showing the need for reconnection.
• The Power of Breath: A simple, conscious breath can ground and support us.
• Reconnection Approach: Erin shares her methods for working with individuals seeking to reconnect with their bodies.
• Balancing Energies: We discuss attuning to both feminine and masculine energies within ourselves.
• Observer vs. Judge: Learning to observe our experiences rather than judge them is crucial for healing.
• Embracing Feelings: We explore how to navigate profound feelings without fear or judgment.
• Cultivating Curiosity: Practicing organic movement with curiosity can deepen understanding of our bodies.

Key Practices:

Erin emphasizes actions to foster a connection with the body, including:

• Receiving
• Exploring
• Listening
• Recognizing
• Celebrating

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Transcript

Leslie Field (00:01.781)
Hi everyone, I'm so excited to have Erin Pace with me today. Erin, thank you so much for coming on the podcast today.

Erin Pace (00:09.374)
It's so great to be here with you, Leslie. Thanks for having me.

Leslie Field (00:13.521)
So this is our second conversation. And as I mentioned in my intro, we're going to be weaving together two different conversations that we had, because this woman has so much wisdom that I'm beyond excited to share. She is a body whisperer, a teacher of whole body presence, an intuitive guide. And she helps support reestablish. Oops, that doesn't make sense. She helps reestablish safety in the body and whisper.

permission for feminine bodies to become fully felt, known, owned, and expressed. So thank you, thank you Erin for who you are and what you're bringing to this world. I cannot wait to jump in and tell more people about you and what you do.

Erin Pace (00:56.546)
Thank you for having me and for sharing you and your voice in the world and all that you're doing for the women that are here with us. Yeah.

Leslie Field (01:01.889)
Thank you.

Thank you, thank you. So I told Erin that I think the best way to do this conversation is to sort of frame it from my experience. So I've worked with Erin for, I think it's almost seven years now. We've met in New York City and now we're working together mostly through Zoom, although I can't wait for the in-person stuff. So soon, hopefully. And...

Erin has been, I warned her, I'm gonna fangirl and I'm gonna fawn over her right now. First off, Erin, you are one of my dream people to have on my podcast, so dreams do come true. So here I am. But I'm fawning over you because this woman has been one of the key people, resources, supports, guides, whatever you want to call her, that has helped me move through one of the hardest times of my life. So I'm...

forever grateful for what she's helped me feel and move through. And that's why I wanted her to come on today to sort of share the opportunities and the wisdom that there are for our bodies. If only we would just slow down and listen and take time to connect with them. You are the woman who helped me feel, really feel my emotions and recognize that.

I have so many of them, the light ones, the dark ones, the happy ones, the sad ones. You've seen it all. What has been so incredible is that you hold such a space and presence that I feel safe enough to go there, that I feel safe enough to do it. Now, it wasn't without fear, shame, embarrassment, shutting things down, trying to run for things because goodness I did.

Erin Pace (02:20.65)
I'm gonna go.

Leslie Field (02:45.621)
But this lady right here helped me realize the gifts that were inside of all these messages and all these emotions. So again, I am just, there are no words to express. I can feel so much, but I can't always express it in words. Just thank you, thank you, thank you, Erin, for being you and what you do and give to this world.

Erin Pace (03:06.186)
Thank you, thank you, thank you, Leslie, for being you and allowing me the privilege to be in that space with you and to witness you in your massive expansion and return to yourself. It's my greatest privilege. I'm so lucky to get to do what I do. Thank you.

Leslie Field (03:18.847)
Mm-hmm.

Leslie Field (03:26.253)
No, I know, thank you. It's like the mutual appreciation club over here. We can't help it. We just can't help it. We can't help ourselves. So I always knew that, Erin, there was something special about you when we met. We met inside of a studio inside of New York City. And I just knew, I was like, this is the woman that I need to work with. There's something about her that is just gonna help me tap into something in my body.

Erin Pace (03:31.394)
Yeah, we can't help ourselves.

Leslie Field (03:51.893)
I don't know what that means. I don't know what that looks like. I don't know what this journey is gonna be, but I think, you know, first I just wanna say I work with Erin about on a weekly basis right now. We also do some private sessions right now. We're currently in a group that's been together a very, very long time and we dance together in community. And so we're in a space where there's music, there's all these different parts of it and.

It's hard. I was like, do I go and I explain all this or do I not? Basically, it's like a it's like a organic movement class. Erin can probably describe it better than me. But I guess I want to start with even just last week. Why this is I always come back to, you know, I show up for class. I feel one way. I'm tired. I'm over it. I don't want to move my body. I'm like, oh, like, what am I doing here? And I leave the class completely.

different. Absolutely in a whole other place, tapped into different emotions and feelings. I didn't even know we're there. Like what is happening, Erin? What are we doing in this class?

Erin Pace (05:03.161)
Oh wow. So I had like three jokes run through my mind. Cosmic. Anyway. Um.

Leslie Field (05:08.989)
Hahaha!

Erin Pace (05:14.258)
entering the body is entering a realm of wild discovery, right? Like so you have available to you at all times, this majestic, magical, emotional feeling.

body. And so taking that time to go inward to yourself and visit with you and become present with sensation and become present with emotion and become present with the subtle cues with the impulses that exist within you. And that that responsiveness that wakes up as a result of your own presence with you changes the nature with which you're

experiencing aliveness. And so I think that that might be a way to explain it, which can also maybe sound a little woo woo, but um, but it really is bringing your attention home to the, to the vessel to recognize you again. And when it feels recognized in that recognition process,

that is so caring and so gentle and so patient, because in the slowness, we allow ourselves to hear and feel ourselves in that inward reckoning is possibility. And when possibility awakens, all of a sudden, there's a vibration in the body and energy in the body coursing through you and some

some might call it you're turned on your lit up your, your more with you, you know, so that just wakes up the lived experience in the, in the human form. Right. So, so we're accessing.

Leslie Field (07:11.511)
Mmm.

Leslie Field (07:19.795)
Yeah.

Erin Pace (07:22.526)
energetic frequency, we're clearing emotion with reverence, we're just noticing that it's there if it is, and allowing it to breathe through the body, and allowing it space, and so it actually clears internal space inside the body when you let emotions flow, rather than having them be locked and held in the body or restricted in some way. So as that flow starts to happen, you start to actually feel sensations even more,

Erin Pace (07:54.034)
You just have more of you. You have more of you available. And that's truly like how we want to then cultivate being in the world, right? Like is to have more, more presence, more energetic vibration and presence awareness.

Leslie Field (07:55.669)
Hmm

Leslie Field (08:12.777)
Incredible mic drop we could just stop the podcast now. We're good We're good so It's just you the way you describe it. It's it sounds so magical and incredible and this is the thing it really is There's a but here but but getting to that place I Know particularly for people who are listening to this podcast who have bodies that maybe

Erin Pace (08:15.918)
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Erin Pace (08:31.193)
Yeah.

Leslie Field (08:42.117)
are not functioning in the way they would like it to function. There's a lot of distrust in the body. There's disconnection from the body. There's frustration. There's anger at our bodies, me included. I felt all these feelings about my body kind of not supporting me, or so I thought, but we'll get there. That it's interesting because

it's very hard for people like myself or people with chronic conditions to actually want to go down into the body because there's been so much distrust and let down. So I guess I really want to get into how do we get people back into their bodies? Because it's a very scary thing, right, for a lot of people to feel again. I'm sure you've seen this a lot.

Erin Pace (09:34.134)
scary, so normal. And it's a very usual experience in the spaces that I enter that I have the privilege of working in, unfortunately, because the programming, the conditioning, the habituation to disconnect, to dis ease with almost a level of numbness or detachment is ever present.

particularly in feminine bodies. And so there's no one way because every body is coming in with its own history, history, whether it has any level of trauma, any level of practiced resistance, strong thinking self.

Right lack of attunement to the physical self because it's just the way they were. I'm there used to being in the world right so like there's no particular no one way for all people I found. Although a simple conscious breath can serve everybody. In a really.

Great way right so there are simple straightforward practices that conserve all bodies but in terms of what we're talking about.

Erin Pace (11:05.202)
When faced with a chronic condition, there's a necessity I find to be with both parts equally, and by both parts I mean the mind and the body, in the same space, so that you're addressing the cognitive.

conditioning that's present, you're you're talking through, you're actually changing your pathways when you inquire, journal or speak about what's present in the thinking space. So if we address the cognitive conditioning,

And then we go to the body. So you're recognizing there's somewhere in that thinking space, there's programming around resistance. There's thinking your way even into emotional space, rather than just the feeling of emotion presenting itself. So there's, there can be a lot present in that thinking space that wants to be extracted from.

The body to begin to create space for the neural pathways to be rebuilt. So you want to talk through and address some of the cognitive thinking around the relation you have to your body. Then there's experiencing the physical sensations. So presencing while you're in the thinking space, bringing that thinking energy down into the body and beginning to.

Leslie Field (12:20.768)
Hmm.

Leslie Field (12:25.144)
Mmm.

Erin Pace (12:38.026)
Notice where it's most alive energetically. So you're tracking, where is that present in my physical body that fear that I'm talking about, or that resistance that I'm talking about? Where is that most alive in my physical being and it's very rare that someone can't locate it. So you locate where is the resistance? How do you

Leslie Field (13:01.133)
Hmm.

Erin Pace (13:08.662)
into kind of what I like to call a holy communion with that part of you that's holding the resistance or holding the anger or holding the fear or holding the discontent and the frustration and you begin to partner with it rather than be at odds with it. So it's a it's more of a process for a body that has been in a long-term conditioning around

Leslie Field (13:27.522)
Hmm.

Erin Pace (13:37.99)
So it's not going to be like you hop in and into our Monday night class and your bodies in the space of revelation and discovery because all of those bodies had to go through their own versions of. Of exploration and discovery and internal intervention in a sense to kind of begin to blossom open into sensation fully and begin to trust themselves like you spoke to the trust right so we must. Begin by hearing.

Leslie Field (13:49.389)
Mm-hmm.

Erin Pace (14:08.146)
what exists within us, identifying where that lives, coming into communion with it, and then moving it like shifting the possibility so that what ifs you begin to bring.

construct of observation without judgment. You begin to bring your presence, love, attention, and care and gentleness to that place so it can have a voice. And that voice can be heard by you just literally holding that part of you, breathing into that part of you and asking it what.

What are you really saying to me? What are you really trying to protect me from? And thanking it for it. So you actually begin to build a relationship with your own internal energy. And as you do that, things begin to shift. And sometimes they can't, even though it's a process, they can shift pretty quickly. Because when you bring awareness into the room, particularly the room being your body,

Leslie Field (14:48.881)
Mm-hmm.

Erin Pace (15:14.546)
It's amazing like that it's it's like a lumen put shining a light and you can't ever not see what you've seen. If you choose to stay in the dark room and step back into the darkness that's okay to like no judgment around that when you're ready you'll step back into the light and the illumination that that exists that you know exists now.

Right. And when you're ready, you step back in. Maybe you just put a toe in, step back out. Maybe you, you know, so some people edge their way in and some people are so ready, they leap in and they're like, OK, show me everything body, show me everything. Let me be with you fully until I can trust you again. So it can either be a slow process, a fast process, but either way, it's a process where you have to feel each way at each point along the way.

Leslie Field (15:57.997)
Hmm.

Erin Pace (16:03.902)
a delivery of your consciousness, your presence and awareness.

and care and gentleness to the parts of you that are holding that resistance, that are holding that pain, because they're pain bodies, right? They're bodies that have chronic illness or have been met with a disease that might be a forever disease, right? And that's just terrifying. The level of fear that I've met in bodies, I just bow, I just bow to the perseverance and the resilience.

Leslie Field (16:12.717)
Mm.

Erin Pace (16:38.082)
that exists within those, you know, because it requires more, it requires more than than other bodies who don't have those predictions upon them, you know, or those that information that that's hard to digest. So know that it's possible.

It's a leap of faith to stay with you and process what shows up when you visit and say, Hey, what are you showing me? What are you trying to protect? To stay with you requires that, you know, that's the onset, I think, of self-trust.

so that you're not abandoning you in the moment that you go to be with you. Because trust is truly about fear. The root of it is fear. And it's about staying with you, not abandoning you. How can you hold your own hand and know that you've got you and know that it's okay to feel all of those feelings. They're all valid.

and actually necessary to process in order to get to the other side into a state of even believing you're you're worthy of bliss and worthy of pleasure in extended ways not tiny little bits that you get to have right so. I would just. that's where i'd start with a body that has a chronic condition or anything that has been really difficult to.

except because where we're headed and I'll just add one more thing to that I know I've been talking for a while, but um, what I'll add to that is where we get to in that process is the is the clearing of the emotion starts to happen. And acceptance starts to happen as a visceral experience and in that in that space, the body begins to open to sensation more and be a come more.

Erin Pace (18:56.902)
available for for different experience than what it's conditioned to have.

Leslie Field (19:06.322)
Yes.

Wow. Yes.

I feel like you were talking about me for half that time too. I mean, we work together. I was like, I know this part well, because we've worked on all of this. Oh my gosh, so many things you said. It's like, where do I go next? First off, the unfolding that can happen. So like you said, when we go on these journeys, we're working with someone like you, we're getting...

Erin Pace (19:17.139)
I might have been a little bit.

Leslie Field (19:39.489)
the embodiment and feeling into our bodies again, there are so many things to discover. And sometimes I feel like it's just, yeah, having the courage to even just start. And to be open to the possibility of what you're talking about, that there's so much more there besides the programing of, like, I'm in this, a lot of pain, or like, I'm always exhausted. And I have all of those things. I am...

Always fighting fatigue, it feels like. It's like my biggest thing with my personal condition. But it's interesting, because when I get into the body, and this is what you were saying, there's so much more there beyond the fatigue. I mean, it's still present, let's be real. There's a lot of times I show up to the class, and there's a bit of you where I said, this is actually too much fatigue, and I have to stop. That's very rare, though. What I find is, yeah, there's a whole well of other things happening inside of me.

Erin Pace (20:20.95)
Yeah

Leslie Field (20:35.073)
but I get so maybe aligned or stuck in, like you said, the one piece that I, and ugh, so there's that. And when you said the fear, talk about, because of all the work we're doing together and the things I'm interested in, I do feel like a lot more through my body now. So even when you talked about the fear right now, it was so fascinating. I had all the tingles go up in my body and it was just kind of saying like, we know that fear. I carry a lot of fear with me. I mean.

I carry the chronic kidney disease, I have Hashimoto's, I have all these things that are going on in my body. It's always present with me and I just find it such a blessing because yes, I can visit with them. You allow me a space and a time. Obviously, we've worked together for years. Erin basically looks at my body and she can tell me the whole life story of how my week's been and I haven't even talked to her because she can see it through movement. We're just connected on another level at this point.

Erin Pace (21:29.206)
Hahahaha

Leslie Field (21:33.321)
Why am I saying all that? The exploration is just endless. And I just hope that this will encourage people that a lot of our lives, we live in our head all day. I mean, it makes sense. We're thinking, the human brain, all the things are up there. But there is so much more to discover and explore if we move out of our brain. And you remind me, too, of some of the work that we've done around fear, very recently, actually.

where you asked me where it was and I was like, it is right here, it is stuck in my solar plexus, I can feel it, it's making me super emotional, and we did all these cool exercises to sort of like, let it go, and through the work that we do, I have this heightened sensitivity, I know it now. I'm like, it's there, let's move it. And you're like, all right, let's move it out. And we did, and I could still feel like, and then I felt sore, I think I told you, I almost had this like, afterwards, I was like, God, it's like.

It's like, it's not ouchy, but like energetically ouchy because we had to move it out. It was like, you have to leave now, you must go. Anyway, these are all felt things and we could talk about it all day long, but I'm just, and we will, we're gonna continue, but I just really hope that it's gonna inspire some people, especially my listeners, to take a moment to go and have visit with themselves. Like you said, it's...

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Erin Pace (22:55.75)
I, you touched on so many things. And first I think was courage. And I just invite you, anyone who's listening, to go within yourself as you take a deep breath one day, maybe today if you're listening, but just to ask what is required to be courageous and...

want to bring myself into more fullness with my body, more wholeness rather than separation. What, what would I need to feel supported in choosing that, so that maybe just by being with that question.

you'll find something within yourself that takes you into a space that is set up for safety, that is set up for permission, that is set up with grace, that that process does not have to be abrasive or forced in any way, that you can simply take the step in, take a deep breath and go.

in baby steps in the direction of realizing you're right here. You're right here, and that you're actually going, hopefully to be okay, you know, like, we can never guaranteed another day in our lives, like we can. So that's true for everyone, no matter what you're navigating, you never know what someone's navigating, and the extent to which they're navigating that. But feeling the

permission to even begin to allow yourself an experience of wholeness again with your body, that it can be yours and it's possible to feel great in your body again. And knowing that, yeah, it's a leap of faith and it takes a little courage, but it's a gift you can give yourself. And it doesn't have to.

Erin Pace (25:16.434)
be super edgy, where you dive into a big immersive retreat, or something, it can be something as small as just visiting a daily practice until you feel safe to go in or finding that safe space with someone you know and going in or what whatever feels just edgy enough that you know you're

Erin Pace (25:41.834)
you're with you on that walk. You know, because we have to provide that's the building of the self trust to we have to provide that safety with we have to just keep our consciousness around the choices of where we step into, especially when it's tender like that, especially when there there's either a trauma or conditioning in the brain that feels terrifying for a body it really that fear.

And if you throw yourself into a space that has too much going on or too much stimulus and that self judgment can become prevalent and take you back away into the dark room. Like, like, no, that was too much. Right. So just choosing consciously like what what feels safe for me to to kind of step into where I'm with me and I and I just feel into it and see.

Leslie Field (26:25.185)
Mm-hmm.

Leslie Field (26:38.359)
Yeah.

Erin Pace (26:40.982)
what's there for me.

Leslie Field (26:42.737)
Absolutely. You are the woman who taught me about tenderness and ease. I feel like these words were not in my vocabulary before I met you because I would move and you would always say you have such tenderness and at first I'd be like I don't know what she's talking about. I don't get it. What is this? But you know over time I start to oh I understand that part of myself that maybe I was ignoring or not letting myself feel and also just the ease.

Erin Pace (27:02.432)
Hahahaha

Leslie Field (27:12.533)
E-A-S-E, ease. You know, we have a world that is so busy, it feels like it's only getting faster and busier. Although, personally, I'm getting told more and more of my body, you need to slow down, which I find really fascinating. It's like, you're not going in that direction. You're gonna go at this pace of nature, you're gonna go slow and steady, and if you go any faster, it's like my body shuts down. I'm like, okay, I got it, we're here. Anyway, it's...

Erin Pace (27:38.42)
Yeah.

Leslie Field (27:40.761)
The world is this very very fast world and sometimes I like it can be very harsh and there's a just you know We don't even sometimes realize our own self criticism the judgment that we put on ourselves It becomes so normalized and I'm probably just speaking about myself right now, but I'm sure there's a few other people who Get what I'm saying where if the criticism and the harshness in your head just becomes so normalized You don't even realize there's another way to live

Erin Pace (28:01.611)
Hehehehe

Leslie Field (28:10.185)
you don't realize there's another way to have softness. And why am I bringing all this up? It's because Aaron is one of the key pieces of people, the work we've done, the pieces of people, whatever I'm saying, to help me see that ease, softness, sensitivity, these are blessings. They are not weaknesses, because in my mind, they were weaknesses that my body can't function.

Erin Pace (28:23.231)
Hehehe

Leslie Field (28:38.673)
I can't achieve all the things that I wanna do, that I can't move as fast as I want to, what the hell is my body doing? Can she just figure it out so I can do all the things that I'm trying to do over here? And I would come and work with you and you would always have this gentleness, the softness, the ease, the like, what a gift this is, the sensitivity. And at first, Erin, I'm sure you know this, I thought you were a crazy person. I'm like, I don't know what she's talking about. I don't know why this is a gift.

Like over time and again and again, you mirroring back the beauty about all these feelings, the sensitivity, the ease, the gentleness. I finally was like, okay, she must have a point. I was like, there's something I'm missing here. And I finally come around to it. I'm like, why am I living in this space where I just was so harsh and judgy and critical? It's like, bleh.

So I'm just so grateful because you helped me like, yeah, flip the programming, flip the script to be like, it doesn't have to be like this. And my sensitivity and my emotional self is a blessing and it's not a hindrance and it's necessary and it's a vital part of being human. Like just why do we think that it's not normal to like feel emotions and cry? Like I was so stuck in that place forever. So again, I'm just so thankful that you helped me.

break down these barriers, it didn't happen overnight, but slowly, just finally, just dispelling all these sometimes myths and stories we tell ourselves, or how we're raised in our culture. So thank you, Erin.

Erin Pace (30:13.074)
Mm hmm. Oh, I'm just one of the many conduits out there that that believes from my own lived experience, you know, the the yeah, so you're you're you're re attuning to your ability to

thrive in the feminine essence, right, like to allow your feminine essence as much as you allow your masculine, right? So that because the feminine is the men, the masculine is very feeling as well masculine energy. I don't mean to, but, but if we're talking energy, there's masculine energy is more of a linear

and directed and focused kind of energy. It's that doing fiery space. And feminine energy is in the flow and allows the sensitive nature to be to run its course to to be in the sort of like territory that is undefined. And the minute it becomes defined.

and put a finger on it and say, no, no, you're not allowed to be like that. That's too much. That's too much. You're being dramatic. You're over this. You're that. Like it starts young girls hear these messages and grow up just desensitizing to their own emotional.

ability, it's an ability to feel and to tune into what those emotion how those emotions can be of service in the world, rather than a hindrance, right? And if we do nothing else, like I think, just becoming the observer, rather than the judge. And this is known in all psychology practices and all the things, but it really is so true, becoming the observer and

Erin Pace (32:17.084)
to be with you, not just something you visit occasionally, but to actually become your day to day. If that becomes the day to day practice, all of the other practices become easier. That ease.

becomes easier access to ease becomes easier because our awareness as I said once you're in there you can't unsee and then it just becomes a choice of do I choose today to visit to take that next step or do I sit back for a little longer because sometimes we need more time and space before we take steps you touched on so many things.

Slow and steady. That's like I say that constantly in the work like oh steady and slow slow and steady slow and steady because it's just Mind-blowing how unsteady

we get.

because of living in the brain space, you know, so the whole body kind of.

Erin Pace (33:28.258)
taking a break here to get clear on what that message is. So you can edit this out. But.

Erin Pace (33:41.366)
there's

Erin Pace (33:49.366)
In really high functioning feminine bodies, there can be a lot of unsteadiness because there's often a very well conditioned...

attunement to following the masculine energy in their body, and like being in high performance and a lot of showing up in the world outside of that, like having to take on a lot of identities and show up and do a lot of things. And

when they take that pause and start to try to go inward to themselves and kind of revisit their feminine essence, there's an unsteadiness. They don't, they don't feel connected to kind of who they are at their core for some reason being heavily in the, in the following of their masculine energy. There's a disconnect that happens within the natural organic feminine energy.

Erin Pace (34:57.708)
have to steady themselves and feel where their steady is. That's something that I plug into with so many bodies. Feel your steady. Stay with you so you can actually feel the breath and the core and the structure of the, you feel the physical structure of your bones and your musculature.

And as you're breathing, you can feel your own alignment back into steadiness. So you actually feel yourself having your back and having having you back. It's a felt sensation experience when working with the physical body and bringing kind of a woman back to her feminine essence.

Leslie Field (35:42.797)
Hmm.

Erin Pace (35:46.375)
end.

Erin Pace (35:50.59)
Yeah, I'm trying to think if there's anything else there that you could add in.

Leslie Field (35:58.793)
Well, I was gonna say that makes so much sense to me because as you're describing that, I almost saw a vision and you know, I'm more of the vision in my third eye. I saw when, and I get this, because I have, this is part of me, it's part of all of us, but there's some people just live in this space more. When I'm in my masculine, I'm almost like going. I just saw a vision in me, almost like just running forward, like boom, it's like this huge energy.

Erin Pace (36:08.777)
Mm-hmm

Leslie Field (36:26.089)
like straight line, gotta do the things. Whereas when you started to talk about the feminine essence, all I saw, like you said, was the steady. It's coming back, sitting down. I'm like, oh, and finding like rooting, like on the ground. The masculine to me, it feels like it's like boom, like it's like flying, it's going. Whereas the feminine, it comes down and it stops and it studies. It's not like stuck there.

but it's more like rooted so that it can have this rooted, grounded flow to it. So as you were saying, I was like, I know exactly what she's talking about. So it makes so much sense that, particularly for those women, yeah, who are in that high drive, because I know I have been in that for different places in my life, stopping is kind of hard in itself to stop and then to study and feel there, whoa, this is a different, totally different feeling being here, like what is this? So I'm so glad.

Erin Pace (37:20.973)
Yeah.

Leslie Field (37:22.325)
You described that and shared that.

Erin Pace (37:24.37)
I love how you just described it. Of course you're visionary and tapping into that. I love that. Yeah, we're like this, we're a mother nature and you sit and you feel and you see and you flow as things try to knock you down, you just, you feel your steady, you feel, it's like that solid.

Leslie Field (37:46.024)
Mm-hmm.

Erin Pace (37:46.11)
tree that's deeply rooted into the abundant nature of Mother Earth and growing and rising into all the heavens right to all that is into the allness of it all and just being with it along the way being with it not against it and the masculine is so so you know just like absolutely I love that vision

Erin Pace (38:21.994)
Yeah, there was something else that came through as you were speaking about the masculine, but it's gone, so I'll leave it. Edit that out, yeah. Okay, yeah.

Leslie Field (38:27.497)
No, that's okay. That's okay.

Leslie Field (38:33.153)
I actually want to try to figure out where I want to go next too. Well, we pause in this moment. That was so cool, though, because I'm still like rummaging on what you said. I'm like, I know exactly what you're talking about. So I'm like still still there.

Erin Pace (38:38.013)
Yeah.

Erin Pace (38:46.026)
Yeah, your journey has been so full with so much. I'm wondering where we can take it from the masculine and the feminine.

Leslie Field (38:53.107)
Oh yes.

Erin Pace (39:02.41)
you had touched about the being stuck in fatigue, get out of the brain out of the fear. Know that we answered that fast world.

Leslie Field (39:15.905)
I have one thing that's coming up. I don't, and I'm just gonna say it because it keeps coming up.

Erin Pace (39:17.901)
Yeah.

Leslie Field (39:22.273)
I'm thinking about, and again, everybody is very different. Like every person who comes to these types of practices and comes to working with their body. I remember, I guess this really impacted me because a few of my friends came and we did a session together. And I still know it was just one of the most beautiful Zoom sort of sessions when you worked with all of us as a group and why we haven't done it again, I don't know, but that's another time.

But what was really fascinating to me was, so these are some of my closest friends who I knew very, very well. I keep thinking about this all the time, the amount of holding that they do. Now, in our space, when we did the Zoom thing together, every single one of us cried. Every single one of us cried, all for different reasons. I was crying for different reasons. They were all different reasons. And it was a lot of heavy emotion. It was really fascinating to me and to see amongst the,

Erin Pace (40:09.973)
Hahaha

Leslie Field (40:20.565)
particularly my friends, is beholding that they don't want to allow themselves to release yet. And there's a yet here. I know this from experience and I'm not saying that everybody's going to feel this every time, but when you release, you actually in time feel really a lot better after. There's a huge catharsis. And let me tell you, I have fought the tears and I didn't mention it this time.

Erin Pace (40:41.15)
Exactly. Yeah, there's a catharsis. Yeah.

Leslie Field (40:50.213)
I fight the tears so much. However, I would come into our class together and Erin has witnessed this many, many, many times. I from nowhere would just start crying. Some days I kind of knew I was a bit teary, so I wasn't surprised. Other days we're talking from the depths of nowhere. Like I had no idea that they were gonna come up.

Erin Pace (41:10.926)
Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe

Leslie Field (41:13.581)
and the amount of tears that this body has expressed in front of Aaron Pace, so thank you for holding and helping me move through all of this. It's, it was always, it's always surprising and shocking. It is always surprising to me. And so why am I talking about me is because I saw that my friends the same, the holding, the holding, the holding.

Erin Pace (41:21.45)
Thank you for allowing me.

Leslie Field (41:35.305)
And then they released. And what was interesting is I suspect they felt better after, but then what came was a lot of embarrassment, I think, and shame, and, oh, I can't let myself do that, which is so hard for me to see and witness, especially in my close female friends.

Erin Pace (41:53.45)
Yeah, and that's what we're witnessing is the conditioning, the thinking, the judge, the judge, the critic that says, No, you're not allowed the old shaming that's been conditioned in some way or another, either through patriarchy lineage, any influence, anything that's influenced them in their, in their lived experience to this time, you know, but it's so common, it's a common thread for most.

women and even for men, you know, and everyone in between, you know, like, so it because feelings. I think often because feelings when they feel grand or big, it triggers fear, it triggers fear in the person feeling it and it triggers fear in the person on the other extreme if there's someone in the space with them. You know, so fear is is being activated.

in the experience of a lot of emotion. And if we can understand better how to be with our fear, be a companion and a friend to our fear rather than a judge of or a critic of our fear, because that's the deeper core of what's going on, that enables the emotional flow.

the permission, the space to be just what it is and not have it carry or attached to a story or a judgment about it as true when it really isn't true. Like, because most of, if you were to then investigate, like if we were to have had more time that particular gathering to sit with, okay, wow, that's bringing up this, I'm feeling shame, I'm feeling like I wanna shut down and go back words and not go to this place.

forced place we went to just FYI, like, because some places try to force that out of a body, we would never do that, right? Like, that's just the natural progression of what happened when they started to visit with their bodies. And, and it was such a beautiful response that happened in their bodies. And, and so, fear and safety, and self trust are all linked together. Right? So

Erin Pace (44:10.294)
We want to go to the core experience, which is fear. There's some version of fear existent within their physical being. And so we would want to be with that in inquiry around what is that and be friend, be friended as a sensation, as an informant so that you can then understand what the brain.

and with the body how to be safe with that exploration and not judgmental of that exploration but rather sit in the curiosity and the discovery and the revelation that's available in coming to yourself in that way, especially when you're in a community where there's already a level of safety built in because of the friendships that you already hold so dear. So those smaller community intimate gatherings are really special

coming in with a certain level of, of community that's built. So those are unique. And I would just say it's about when you close from that experience, circling back into the reverence of what just happened, and inviting, inviting the

Leslie Field (45:12.938)
Yeah.

Erin Pace (45:36.126)
observer to take the lead to trick take the driving seat route and put the judger in the in the back, that that would be a way to cultivate them wanting to return again and return again and return again.

and allow themselves to experience more of the emotional flow so that then they can access more of the sensation and sensational body and more of the subtle pleasure body so that they can kind of begin to have more of themselves. So that's the process that we were talking about before. So we just have to be willing to cultivate observation so that you can keep coming back into that space and feel safe there and held there by them.

themselves and in community in a way that allows them. Oh yeah, I can, I can feel that I can. And I, and actually feeling that it just opens a little more every time. And then all of a sudden the welcome come through. Now there are bodies like yours who the just tears, just the emotional body is more proficient, right? And, and you know that what's carrying through you, you were able to.

have the experience of detaching from the stories around the grief. What and call it grief tears, tears can be tears of elation. We all know this right like tears can be so carry so much different emotion all at the same time. Like you can be having

extreme elation at the same of extreme grief like I worked for an actress who at the same time she was winning an Academy Award she was losing her husband like that level of expansiveness in the spectrum of emotion was like, like as far as it can be and so tears carry both right at the same time it can all be true at once and that so moving emotion through your body. You have an agility already for that.

Leslie Field (47:29.822)
Mm-hmm.

Erin Pace (47:42.146)
and another body might might have another tendency that's like

I think so.

Erin Pace (47:54.282)
Like you have this agility and ability of allowing emotion to flow through your body and you had the presence of the judge. And you've worked through that. And now you understand that it can be with the brain, the brain took the backseat and now you understand it can be a really filling and cathartic experience. It activates hormones in the body. It clears the body of energetic space. It allows more inner spaciousness. So you can feel sensation, right? And all that stuff. Whereas another body might be. Highly.

to sensation but not very emotional right like it might be I can feel everything that's touching me and around me and that activates things in me but getting to their emotions is like what like now you tend to have both actually because your sense that you actually have sensation in your body very available but

every again, we're back to the everybody presents differently. And so just how do you become come to know you? How do you come to know which body you are, so that you can begin to allow yourself more of those other parts of yourself and come into restore harmony, and feel allow and feel all of it. That's sort of the wholeness while your brain

is not judging you, but it's actually serving higher level, like understanding and comprehending it and the higher level consciousness is present.

Leslie Field (49:22.125)
Hmm, yeah. Yes, that's really fascinating. Because yes, I only know my own experience of what my body feels like and what it is. So it's so fascinating to hear you say it. And I know everybody is so unique and so different. So it's just incredible to hear how, yeah, we're just so unique and what's more present and accessible in the beginning as we explore and navigate and discover new things about ourselves. But.

Erin Pace (49:30.972)
Heheheheh!

Leslie Field (49:51.953)
I think really what it is is I get very tired living in my head. It's just like, bleh. I've always liked to be in my body, so I feel like people who might, I don't want to make too many assumptions, but I know people who are like, like to move. I always say, I'm a person who's always liked to move my body. I've always liked to exercise or dance, or this has always been sort of like my medium of something that sort of feels good and has always sort of brought me enjoyment through movement. So it's been very...

Erin Pace (49:56.32)
Yeah.

Leslie Field (50:21.357)
cool because now we've been working together in a very gentle, slow, breath-oriented ways. It's organic movement. There's no steps. There's no like you do a right and a left and count to eight. There's none of that. It's just what comes. And so it's been such a blessing because it's a new way to get to interact with my body. So I would say if you're a person who you know you like to move, you know you like to dance, you know you love to...

Yeah, you just kind of know that about your body. Like I suspect this could be a really beneficial or useful sort of practice or something to explore. So saying that, I know Erin that you have some great things in the works. How can someone get in touch with you or reach out to you if they'd like to know more about you and your work?

Erin Pace (51:14.338)
Oh, well, I'm available on my website, erinpace.com. So that's pretty simple. And I'm right now rebuilding sort of all of my offerings. And I'm building a number of different exciting things. And one will be for introductory practitioners, one will be for longtime prediction.

practice, one will be for longtime practitioners, and one will be for those who are interested in, in becoming a sort of guide. So it'll be a training curriculum. And I'm also putting together some bundles of, of practices so that

those who are interested in sort of inviting a practice into their daily space, they will have options for that as well. And it'll all be available on my website. So I hope to, to welcome you at some point.

Leslie Field (52:18.677)
Yes, this is very, very exciting. I'm hoping that this will reach the people who most need to hear it and can benefit from it. That's always my desire and hope. It's an extraordinary gift, like I said, that you're bringing to this world, who you are, what you're doing. I myself will be joining as a guide at some point, so I very much am looking forward to the teacher training.

Who knows, we might do workshops and things in the future or retreats as we were discussing earlier, Erin and I. So I look forward to doing all those great things and just thank you for being you. You are such a blessing in my life and thank you for chatting with me today, Erin.

Erin Pace (52:50.826)
Yes! Yes!

Erin Pace (53:01.91)
Thank you for being you. You're such a blessing in my life. I'm so grateful to have been here with you and your beautiful beloved community. Thank you for what you're doing.

Leslie Field (53:11.01)
Thank you, Erin, wishing you a beautiful day today.

Erin Pace (53:14.132)
You too!