E2 S1| A Holistic Approach to Supporting People on Their Healing Journey — From the Perspective of Medium, Therapist and Primal Priestess Ceryn Roundtree

In this episode of the Sick and Seeking Podcast, I have the pleasure of speaking with my dear friend Ceryn Rowntree, a medium, therapist, writer, and primal priestess. We connected several years ago in an online coven, and I can’t wait for you to hear about her transformative journey and profound insights.

Join us as we explore themes of healing, self-discovery, and empowerment.

Conversation Highlights:

• A Health Awakening: Ceryn shares her life-changing experience with Toxic Shock Syndrome, which led her to a deeper understanding of her menstrual cycle and internal rhythms.
• Connecting with the Unseen: We discuss the importance of reconnecting with the unseen parts of ourselves and returning to our bodies for true healing.
• The Power of Rituals: We delve into how rituals can help manifest our intentions and bring our desires into reality.
• Reclaiming Goddess Stories: Ceryn talks about her research on goddess stories that have been overlooked in history, particularly those portraying women in a negative light.
• Emotional Healing: We explore how emotional conditions can manifest physically, and how addressing our emotions can support physical well-being.
• Living in Alignment: We highlight the importance of stepping into our power and embracing authenticity to avoid living in a state of dis-ease.
• Balancing Action and Surrender: We discuss the dynamic nature of healing, emphasizing the balance between taking action and allowing for surrender.

Quotes:

“The problem is when we've become so disconnected from our bodies or so distrustful of our heads or our hearts, for whatever reason, we can't follow that inner guidance.” - Ceryn Rowntree

“I believe you can heal yourself.” - Leslie Field

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Transcript

leslie_field (00:01.794)

Hello, Ceryn. Good morning or good evening to you. Good evening.

ceryn (00:06.776)

Evening here. Hello. It's lovely to be here.

leslie_field (00:07.854)

afternoon, evening. I'm so, so happy that you are here as well. Where do we start? I was thinking we start with how we met. We met in our coven. Dear Lisa Lister, we came together in that virtual space in that coven and it's just, it's been such a pleasure getting to know you and to hear about all the work that you do. And I'm even in your most recent Divine Feminist community.

ceryn (00:21.178)

it.

leslie_field (00:36.248)

which I'm loving being a part of. And so just thank you for being here and chatting with me and sharing with me all your wisdom and knowledge and magic.

ceryn (00:43.73)

Thank you so much for having me, Leslie. It's so, it's just lovely being here. It's really exciting that you are doing this podcast. It's exciting to be part of it. And it's funny, isn't it? Because it's a few years now. I'm trying to think how many since we met through Lisa's coven. And it's so interesting to see how things have unfolded and how our paths have crossed and then moved away and then crossed again. long may they continue to cross. But it's so lovely to come back together like this.

leslie_field (01:10.371)

yes.

ceryn (01:13.754)

Thank you.

leslie_field (01:13.994)

totally agree and I'm making a plug because if you say it then we have to do it for our future Mary Magdalene retreat. So more on that coming soon. I'm wearing my red today to channel her and her energy as we move toward that one day. But I I'm just thinking the best way might be to start to introduce you and tell people about what I call your origin story, who you are, not how you came to be, but you know.

ceryn (01:24.154)

Coming soon.

leslie_field (01:42.73)

I love the fact, for instance, your last name is Roundtree, which is derivative of Rowan Tree. So you were from a mystical, magical, spiritual place from the beginning. Tell me about, you know, growing up because I know you have all these beautiful gifts and this knowledge and I'd love to have you share with our listeners.

ceryn (02:01.112)

I always think it's really interesting, know, that my, as you say, my second name is Round Tree from the Rowan Tree, but my mum's maiden name was Lavender. So both of my parents have these plants surnames. And it's so funny that two or three times people have said to me, that your pseudonym that you just use for your witch activities? And I'm like, no, it's my actual name. It's actually a name, but it does sound pretty witchy. It's a pretty cool witchy name. So I come from a little place called Northumberland, which is in...

about as far north in England as you can get before you reach Scotland. And I have, I mean, it's a pretty magical part of the world anyway. We have a lot of history here, a lot of beautiful landscapes here. But I have always come from a family that's really open spiritually. So when I was growing up, all of the spiritual work that I do was just, it was pretty normal. And that was really fortunate for me because I think as a child, when I was kind of seeing things that other people...

didn't necessarily see quite so easily when I was opening up to other interests in my teens. Nobody ever said, no, stop doing that. It's wrong or it's weird or any of those things. They just kind of let me get on with it, guided me towards sources of information that would be safe and let me go on and be me really. So I have been doing the work that I do now in some way, shape or form, I guess my whole life, but definitely since kind of my late teens, very early twenties.

So yeah, that's sort of where I started. I don't know, do you want the full origin story in terms of my work or?

leslie_field (03:36.654)

Goodness, think maybe I know you mentioned in 2014 you had your human awakening. Maybe that would be a good jumping off point because it's sort of, know you were in the corporate world doing corporate communications and always having a connection to the sort of mystical side of you, your mediumship side and all the beautiful witchiness that is just a part of you. But I know you said in 2014 you had sort of a human awakening that sort of laid you back. Tell me about that finding yourself.

ceryn (03:41.678)

did. Yeah.

leslie_field (04:05.538)

Find your way back to yourself and what that was about and what that was like.

ceryn (04:09.146)

Okay, so as you say, I'd always had this connection to all things spiritual really. And so when people used to talk about spiritual awakenings, I'd kind of go, well, I don't feel like there was ever anything I was asleep to really. Now I understand it a bit better. I know it's not quite that simple, but certainly back then. But then in 2014, I had an incident that kind of led me back to think more deeply about my menstrual cycle, to think more deeply about my body. had a toxic shock syndrome scare.

and it really made me go, okay, I need to stop paying attention to my body. And that led me to second plug for her of this podcast. That led me at Lisa Lister's book, Code Red, which was all about reconnecting with your menstrual cycle, reconnecting with your body. And in doing that, it gave me, it brought me home to myself in a way that I didn't think was possible. I always call it, as you say, Leslie, my human awakening. It brought me back to my body. It brought me back to the here and now, and I guess.

in all of the ways that I'd been bypassing previously with meditation or with energy healing or with all of the things, but not necessarily looking at life as it really was, not looking at me as I really was. That experience really brought me back into my body and it taught me to connect back into my body. And in so doing, I'd always had this connection with spirit. I'd always had a connection with past lives, but coming back into my body in that way.

it really forced me to look more deeply, not just at my body, at my experience of what it is to be human, but also about everything else that I was holding in my own body from kind of the broader experiences, from the collective experiences, I guess, of what had gone before me, of what my soul had experienced, what my ancestors had experienced, and what people all over the world were experiencing. when I talk about it as being a human awakening,

Now I think about that, I'm like, it was also not just an individual human awakening, it was a really collective experience, I think.

leslie_field (06:09.389)

Absolutely. the coming back into your body, especially for the people who are listening to this podcast. where do I begin? So most of the people who are going to be listening, who our listeners are, are people who might have struggled with bodily illness or their own sort of medical journey, or maybe they know someone or have a loved one who are sort of going through that path of healing. So when you talk about coming back to your body,

it kind of brings a little shudder up my spine because so many people when we have these, you know, medical scares, medical things that we're managing and healing, oftentimes we don't always want to come back into our bodies. It's just and this is actually leads so beautifully because I know you're therapist. And so I do a lot of work, for instance, with my therapist to really

know, do the mental, emotional things, but she helps me actually remind myself what is going on with my body too because it's so easy for me to say, I don't want to think about her today, but that's not how it works, unfortunately. So I think that's a beautiful way to sort of talk about. So you've always had your gifts and I know you worked as a medium and then you were called to sort of come into working and training as a therapist and a coach and

you explain to me how you sort of everything works together. Talk to me about your work a little bit more and how because I love it because when you talk about your work I'm like that seems so obvious like can I just can everybody do this so tell me a little bit about how you all found all that and how it all works together and how it supports people that you work with.

ceryn (07:40.666)

Yeah.

ceryn (07:48.548)

Okay, well I guess, so I guess what's interesting first of all is that I trained as a therapist because I was a medium, which is probably not your usual reason to train as a therapist, but for me, I was practising as a medium in spiritualist churches and all of that kind of stuff. And I learned or I realised that the people who were coming to spiritualist churches, they were grieving or they were feeling lost or they were feeling stuck and just in need of something to help them through. And actually, I've always believed that whatever we hear from spirit or,

wherever, the greatest guidance we can always follow is within us. But as you say, the problem is when we've become so disconnected from our bodies or so distrustful of our heads or our hearts for whatever reason, we can't follow that inner guidance. I started training as a therapist so that I could really hold space for the people who were coming to me so that I could make sure I was at least, you know, even if I couldn't give them the answers, could help them. I could hold that space where they could find those answers for themselves. And then it...

As I did that, I started to realise that actually these two things kind of go hand in hand because I'm a believer that as, when I call myself a medium, I'm not just talking about connecting with, I don't know, your grandparents who've passed away or your ancestors of some sort or your spirit guides, although totally that too. It's also about connecting with those parts of yourself that perhaps, you know, the unseen parts, the soul, the powerful parts of ourselves that we've become disconnected from in some way.

For me, the way I do therapy now is I bring all of that stuff in. My therapy combines traditional talking therapy, and I'm totally qualified in that, so as you say, it is a safe environment to do that. But then I bring in a bit of the energy healing side of things. Just while I'm talking to people, I'll be doing some energy healing work on them and kind of saying, as you're talking, I can feel something in your throat, what's going on in your throat. Or we'll bring in, I'll kind of say, I've got a voice here telling me X, Y, and Z.

does this spring any bells for you? What's this about? We'll kind of bring that side of things in. We'll bring in the witchy side of things, the ritual side, because really what is ritual ever than just acting out on something that we're trying to bring into being, whether that be something that we want to get rid of, whether it be something that we want to welcome more into. Ritual is about making tangible an intention that we have. So for me, kind of bringing that in with clients is a really powerful way.

ceryn (10:16.206)

I may have told you this story before, but I had a client a few months ago who was not in any way witchy or kind of, you know, to coin a phrase woo woo when we started our work together. And midway through she'd been saying to me, I've just got this, it was a chronic illness issue actually, I've just got this thing and I've been struggling with this so much. I've done so much work to treat it. I've done so much work to heal it. But there's this thought that I have going around in my head and I cannot get it out of my head. And I know it is holding me back.

And so we talked about it and I was like, well, what do you need to do? I just need to get it out of my head. So we ended up, we were talking on the night of a full moon, lo and behold. So we ended up arranging for her to whisper the words into a glass of water. She whispered the words into a glass of water and then she threw the glass of water down the toilet and flushed the toilet. And I was like, look, it might do nothing for you. This might just be a silly thing that you do and we'll see how it goes.

or it might be a ritual that you're doing under the full moon and that adds some power to it. And when I saw her again the next week, she came back and said, this is incredible. The power of actually speaking it aloud, one, and then physically throwing it away and flushing the toilet, it just meant that I felt like it was out of my head once and for all. And actually that intrusive thought hasn't plagued me since. And at the time I thought,

This is absolutely the best example of why I do what I do because when we make manifest something, when we do it tangibly, it just holds a different power for us. So I incorporate the witchiness, the spiritual stuff, the energy healing, all of that stuff. And as you say, the coaching, which then I think when you get to a certain point sometimes with a therapist, you need them to give you a little nudge. So I give them a little nudge. I incorporate all of that into talking therapy. I think it's almost a holistic approach to talking therapy, I think. And I don't, you're absolutely right. I don't know why.

why more people don't do it? Because it's really powerful. It's really, really powerful and really cool.

leslie_field (12:14.476)

You're literally... I'm sitting here and all I can think is, this is the way forward. Okay, I know a lot of people don't believe that they have the gifts that you have, which is a lie. Everyone can develop. You were just born and it was sort of opened up for you. And you had a family surroundings that were very supportive, like you said. But, you know, we were taught that only certain people have these gifts. We're taught that, could possibly... I couldn't possibly be able to do the things that Ceryn's talking about, which is all.

ceryn (12:27.044)

Agreed.

leslie_field (12:44.086)

Not true, but that's a whole different podcast and a whole different topic. So it just makes me realize how beautiful, like you said, holistically, all those things that you can bring together. Every person who gets to work with you, what a blessing, really, truly. I'm a little jealous that I'm your friend so I can't work with you, but we've done other things and we will get to that in a minute. I get to enjoy your gifts in other ways. And so if the listeners haven't already realized,

ceryn (12:47.226)

you

ceryn (13:01.85)

We have.

leslie_field (13:11.884)

This is why I invited you on because you have such beautiful knowledge and gifts that I know, and they are, they're currently helping a lot of people in this world. And I know they will continue to help people in this world. And I know the knowledge that you're sharing right now, like you said, the speaking the words into the full moon. Can I just tell you that I have something that's been really stuck in my brain for a few years and that ritual, I think I'm going to do it on the full moon because it...

comes in this thing and I want it out. So thank you. I think you have shared that story with me, but it's a good reminder to just do it.

ceryn (13:49.432)

It's so simple, isn't it? Because I think often the thing that puts people off ritual, that word ritual, is either they think it has to be complicated or they think that to do it means they really have to be in certain space and in a certain time and planet and do, do. She spoke it into a glass of water and threw the glass of water down the toilet and flushed the toilet and it did what it needed to do. It doesn't need to be complex. It is just us saying, I have the power to make something happen and then doing it.

That's all there is.

leslie_field (14:20.672)

Absolutely. Absolutely. And I just, can't get over the fact that, you know, you're working with people and it's so beautiful. You're like, I'm feeling this message or like, I feel this in my body. I just, I just love you. You're just so magical. I'm like, I'm, I'm just your biggest fan. You know that I'm, I'm a part of your, divine feminist community, as you know. And one of the things that I love about that community is that you are, for me, what I found really healing is that you're bringing back the stories of the goddesses and

I've always thought about that as I've tapped into sort of like, you know, wanting to know more about the feminine and the divine feminine and the goddesses. I almost struggle to find the stories. I almost struggle to find the information. I get like two paragraphs. I'm like, surely there must be more. So what I really love about, one of the things I love about the community is not only are you bringing us together, which is we're women, but you're also bringing together the stories of the goddess. Tell me about, have you been, were you...

Feeling like you needed to present those. me more about how did, it connect? Tell me about all those things.

ceryn (15:25.39)

really good question. Do you know, it started because I'm a geek, quite frankly. I love research and stuff, and I love writing about what I research. It's what I've always done. It's something I really enjoy. And so when I was kind of planning a community and thinking what could I offer in this community, that's what I kept coming back to was telling the stories of the goddesses, but not necessarily the goddesses we hear about all the time. You know, I think there are probably what, 10, 20 goddesses that we hear about constantly.

And that's great. Those goddesses are amazing and they're powerful and all of those things. But there are so many figures out there from so many different parts of the world that we don't really talk about and they're just as powerful. And for me personally, my personal passion of course is, because I'm from the UK, it's that kind of Celtic pantheon of goddesses that we sort of hear about Bridget and that's about it. And Bridget's awesome, but there are so many others that we don't think about. And for me, when we don't look at...

the wider spectrum of goddess stories out there, we also miss the wider spectrum of the feminine within us. And I mean that however we identify in terms of gender identity, the wider spectrum of that feminine within us is so vast and is so beautiful and is so powerful. And so for me, there's something really beautiful about bringing those stories back. And I think what you said there, Leslie, about, you know, I go out there and I look for them and I find maybe two paragraphs, it's exactly this.

And I've been fascinated as I've over the years gone and read about the different goddesses that have kind of made themselves known to me or that I've started to really be drawn to. And I've been fascinated by one or two things, either the fact that there wasn't any information out there about them or the fact that you would maybe read those two paragraphs and then if you delve just a little bit deeper, there would be this whole host of information out there that told a very, very different story that we were missing.

And I'd kind of look at that and go, but if I'm missing this, what else have I been missing? And we'd dive into that and we find so much more, know, because so many of the goddesses that I talk about within the community are those ones that have been cast as, you know, the bad guys of history, basically. They're the Morgan Le Fay from Arthurian legend, who's the evil sorceress. They're the Lilith, who's the mother of demons. They're these women who they've been painted with a certain brush.

ceryn (17:51.906)

And it's only really when we go and delve into their stories that we realise that actually they weren't evil. It was just that these patriarchal cultures that were terrified of feminine power were terrified that people would go down a path that they couldn't control. Were terrified that women would lead into their own power and that would be a power that wasn't necessarily agreed with in the patriarchal structures. And so they just cast them as demons, cast them as evil sorceresses, and that's it, it's all done.

And I kind of want to go back and retell those stories before patriarchy got in the way. So guess that's where it started.

leslie_field (18:26.732)

just taking a deep breath because we need it. I need it. I don't know if anyone else... no, no, let me rephrase that. Yes, we need it because our world, I personally believe it is very out of balance. It's very sort of male-dominated, male-heavy, patriarchal-heavy. And so this is just... I see a lot of it as bringing the feminine back in, trying to come back into balance. And I could go way unto other standards with this, but I'm just gonna hold it there. To me, it feels inside when I read those stories.

or that you share with us in the community. And then you create those meditations to connect with them, which I haven't done in a while. And actually I want to go back and do it because when I have those meditations and I have those moments, there's always such beautiful knowledge and wisdom that comes through. So I just want to thank you again for creating that space for myself. And I hope others will join us because you put, I say the word magic because you are so magical. There's no other word for it. You are magical and you imbue our space with so much magic. And so just, you know, I'm a fan girl.

Okay. yes. I love it. I'm more, more, more, more love it. So going straight into sort of talking about healing now. So I know we've talked about so many things that could help people on their journey to healing or sort of just reconnecting with themselves, their bodies, getting rid of the stuff that's in their head. Hey, you know, if we have stuff going in our bodies, we could also whisper it into the water and

ceryn (19:27.992)

Thank you for being there.

leslie_field (19:53.422)

throw it away and do those tangible rituals. Like, I love that. And it's taking ownership and re-empowering ourselves to say, you know, we can take the medications, do all the pills, all the things, but there's also something else energetically that we can do to support ourselves. And I love that you're reminding us of that.

ceryn (20:09.508)

Yeah, and I think that's a really important point that you make in terms of that we can take the pills, take the medications because, you know, I'm not saying, and I don't think either of us are saying, don't do that. This is very much of an and, it's very much of a, kind of do what works for you. And for me, this is part of it. You know, there's a, it's interesting to me that I think a lot of people think this idea that our physical conditions are held emotionally is all very new age and all very woo-woo and all very weird.

But actually if we go back, it's something Freud used to say when Freud first started psychotherapy, he used to talk about the fact that not only could token therapy support emotional and mental healing, but it could also support with the healing journey that we go on physically too. And of course then we move that forward and it's something that Louise Hay has been a big proponent of. It's something that we read about in all sorts of different kind of more traditional indigenous ways of thinking as well. And so I think that there is a real power in

in kind of delving into our emotions and delving into what's going on for us energetically as well, when it comes to tackling what's happening for us physically. Now that's not to say I'm always very conscious with this subject because I think that there are a lot of people out there who, when they talk about the idea of physical ailments as being dis-ease, you know, as being rooted in the mental, rooted in the emotional, rooted in the energetic, they kind of put a slant on that that says, it's your fault.

So what are you waiting for? Flick that switch within you. Stop thinking the bad thoughts and you'll feel better. And I find that to be at best offensive and at worst really, really damaging because actually I couldn't, I could not disagree with that idea more. For me, yes, there is an emotional component. And when we're talking about healing kind of chronic illnesses and the such like there is definitely an emotional component to that. And of course, as we know when you feel better emotionally,

It's much easier to help everything. We all know this. We know what it's like, you know, when you, even just if you have a cold or if you have something going on, when you feel better in yourself, energetically and emotionally, inevitably those things will be easier to work with. However, for me, I think there is a depth of this that we have to consider. We are all stewing in so much stuff. You know, look at everything that's going on in the collective around us right now.

ceryn (22:28.93)

look at those imbalanced systems without wishing to go too far down that road that we spoke about. Those structures that have for years told us that because we are in a female body, because we are in a black body or a body of colour, because we are in a disabled body, because we are in a fat body and so on and so forth, our body is somehow less than. Of course our physical bodies are gonna say, all right then, then that's a problem. I'm a problem. I can't operate at my fullest potential because I am a problem.

You know, if we add into that the fact that science is now finding, I spoke about the collective before, science is now finding that we carry within us physically the traumas that our ancestors have experienced. So any emotional trauma that our ancestors experienced, whatever that may be, actually that finds its way down through our genes into our body. There's a study of something called epigenetics that tells us that. And...

that's gonna affect us. These things, these collective things are also gonna affect us, which I think is where then when we bring in the energetic stuff as well, we can work with the emotions of what is going on within you, but we also can work with that collective emotion. We can work with that heavy energy that we're all stewing in. We can work with that ancestral trauma and kind of free those bits up. then, I mean, best case scenario would obviously be ta-da, magically you are fixed.

But at the very minimum for me, what we do with that is we kind of free up the channels inside of you a little bit. We help so that all you're left dealing with is your stuff. So that when you are working to work through and to heal your own chronic illness, your own health conditions, that is what you are working with. You're not also working with the collective trauma, the ancestral trauma, all of the many layers of crap that we have to carry around that burden us in every moment.

you're just able to work freely with your own stuff. And that in itself is such a liberation.

leslie_field (24:26.956)

Yes. Period. Done. Exclamation point. Closed. Closed. Parentheses. We're done here. I mean, every day we did a chat before this and you said very similar words. And every time you say that, I'm like, yes, I had never thought of it like that, the way that you describe it and the way that you said clearing away all those things because

ceryn (24:28.59)

Ha ha ha ha.

ceryn (24:36.47)

Thanks.

leslie_field (24:54.894)

I am a spiritual person. I was raised in a religious setting and then I shifted sort of my way that I look at the world and came more into a spiritual way. Respect religions. I think that we're all based in very similar principles and values, but I myself just don't align with a religion, you could say. But why I say all that is because there's so much... Why was I saying that? I'm not sure. I think I was just...

Going to, yes, going down my spiritual path, I got curious about, like you said, ancestral trauma, things that carry through to my family, things that I carry through because I saw my parents have to go through that, or my parents' parents, my grandparents. And so oftentimes when I think about myself and my chronic kidney disease, I personally do feel like it is multi-layered. And it's not just my chronic kidney disease. I have multiple beautiful health things.

that are going on with me. And so it's so beautiful to just hear you talking about all those layers and how sort of the knowledge and the gifts that you bring to this world can help people sort of work through them piece by piece. And you have to be ready to work through them because my goodness, it's dark, it's deep, it's big. It takes a lot of bravery to go.

ceryn (26:10.436)

Yeah, it's big.

ceryn (26:15.15)

It does and I think when every client I work with I'm always Over owed by the courage that they have and I know that for some of us in some Circumstances we get to a point where it feels like we have no choice You know, we will often get to a point on on these journeys that we take where We feel as though this is it we have to do something But even in those moments, it still takes so much courage and I don't say that to deter anybody from taking this journey I say it to remind people that

as they are listening to your beautiful podcast, as they are listening and thinking about this idea of healing, thinking about this idea of working through and with their own sickness. The courage that it takes to do that, the courage that it takes to listen to the conversations that you're having and to consider other options, the courage that it takes to take all of those different pathways that are available to them, whichever ones feel good for them, whichever ones do, because it will be different for all of us.

Even just the listening, even just the choosing to take that step is so courageous because there are many people out there who would rather, know, the podcast called Sick and Seeking, isn't it? And there are so many people out there who actually, even just the seeking is too much for them. And so I kind of wanted to just pick up on that courage word because I just wanted to say that for the people who are listening to this, the very fact that you are seeking just shows how...

incredibly courageous you are. And it's that work, although it's big work and it's deep work and it's scary work, it's that work that changes things for the individual and also that changes things for all of us, the more courageous we all are.

leslie_field (27:55.534)

Deep breath again. Exclamation point, period. I needed to hear that as well, so thank you. Yes, even just getting to this point for me took a lot of courage. So I totally understand what you're saying. Yes. My heart is just so full and I'm just feeling so touched by this conversation. Always when I talk to Ceryn. I love it. I love them so much.

ceryn (28:22.195)

I love our conversations.

leslie_field (28:25.646)

I do, I do. Now we're sharing them with the world. You've also mentioned to me that you are a Reiki master and you said that you trained in a sort of Egyptian sort of based Reiki that I don't, I've never heard of. I forgot the name you did share with me and you said it's connected to fire power and you're using sort of the primal energies of the work. So talk to me a little bit about that work. This, you know, the work you do with the Reiki, but also I know you do other work where you're tapping into those primal energies. Can you talk to me about like,

ceryn (28:33.434)

Mm.

ceryn (28:52.794)

Mm.

leslie_field (28:55.53)

What is that? I sort of understand and I don't understand. Tell me more.

ceryn (29:00.026)

So Reiki, so for those who don't know Reiki is a form of energy healing. And really what that means is you tune into a bigger source of energy, bigger sense of power. The idea that the energy you tune into is just, it's not, it's just set right energy. The energy that we tune into, the key, the life flow is just how everything should be. And so when we open up and tune into Reiki, when we channel it into and for someone else, which we usually do through our hands, but we don't have to.

We are basically just sending them some universal life force. We are sending them this life force and saying, anything that's not quite going right in there, just set it right. Do what you need to do to set things back into their natural flow state. so Reiki is Reiki, Asui Reiki, which is the one that I'm initially trained in. It comes initially from Tibet, that sort of lineage. And it's a really beautiful energy. It tends to have more in tune with kind of...

It's quite a soft energy. So I always think of it as air, but I think other people tend to think of it more earth related. And then I trained, so I loved Reiki. I've been a Reiki master. I teach it and I practice it since 2011, 2012. And then a few years ago, I heard about this thing called Sekhem, which just sounded awesome. So I was like, tell me more, tell me more. And Sekhem is an Egyptian originally form of energy healing. And it's very much aligned with the goddess Sekhmet.

it's very much aligned with fire. So it works in the same way. You channel in the energy, you send it out with your hands or out of your thoughts or wherever you want to. But as you do, you are not only setting it right, you are also giving it a bit of a whoof boost at the same time that kind of really, really just fires up whatever it is that needs to be healed, whatever it is that needs to be supported. It's really potent. It's said that it comes originally from...

ancient Lemuria and before that, that it came through from the gods and the goddesses, but it's really powerful. It's really mystical as well, and it's awesome. So again, I teach that, I practise that. And then the primal side of things came through from me for years, well not from me, it came from spirit, but for years I was getting this message, you need to be doing primal healing. You must be doing primal healing. And at the time I was very much in this mindset of I'm a therapist.

ceryn (31:26.234)

I don't do healing. I was trained to, but I kind of stepped back from it a little bit. And I don't know what primal healing is. And I would Google this idea of primal healing constantly and nothing would come up. I was like, this. And then one day I kind of leaned into it and just let it, so what happened and really what that is, is about connecting with the very center of the earth, connecting with the most, most primal essences that there are within us, within our planet. And just again,

bringing ourselves back to it, I like to think of it as a state of fullness that I think the world has done such a good job over the last few centuries, the last couple of millennia of trying to convince us all that we're small, trying to convince us all that we can't heal ourselves, that we don't know enough, that we aren't enough. And so when we connect in with those primal energies, really what we're doing is saying, do you remember? Do you remember who you were before the world told you that you weren't?

Do remember who we all were before the world told us that we were so much less than that? And it's a real encouragement to kind of step up, step out into who we were, we were always meant to be, I guess. I've got a client at the moment and he said to me the other week, it's almost like there is a mold, do you guys use that word in the US? Yeah, like, yeah, like a mold of the next version of me, like a shape of the next version of me that I'm stepping into. And.

leslie_field (32:41.804)

Yeah, like mold. Yeah.

ceryn (32:50.99)

I'm just waiting to step into it. And before I'd maybe thought that this step was just a little, it was gonna be a little bit bigger than me. And now we've tapped into these energies. I look at it and go, my goodness, this person that I can step into, this idea of who I can be, if I'm healthy, if I'm happy, if I'm all of those things, is so much more than I'd anticipated. And it's a little bit scary, but it's also amazing. So let me at it, I'm stepping into it. And it's just a really cool energy to work with, I think.

primal side of ourselves that isn't really afraid.

leslie_field (33:24.25)

I, because I'm in the community with you, you have spoken about this so many times. You talk about not playing small, not being small, know, thinking about our power. And it's so interesting because you would always say that and I'd go, I don't really know what she's talking about. Yet here I was for the past year trying to get this podcast starting, started. And then maybe like a couple of months ago, I was like,

okay, I get it. Because a lot of my resistance with even just stepping into creating this podcast was, if I look at it, it's sort of like, I just wanted to do what I knew. I wanted to go a path that I felt like was familiar and I kind of knew what it would be like. And it's interesting because it was a path that I know inside was not going to bring me a lot of content, happiness or wholeness. So it was so interesting because I finally was like, I get it.

I wanted to stay in that safe little place and not potentially jump and create something that could be way, way bigger or so unexpected that I, so yes and yes. And so it's so interesting because you can hear people talk about what you're saying. And a lot, sometimes they're just, she's not talking about me. I know I could do big things. But then you take a moment and you're like, wait, I have been holding myself back. I have been sort of

self-sabotage-y, defeating myself. So it's so beautiful that you're sharing this message and going, hey, hey, take a real look because, yeah.

ceryn (34:55.993)

And there's two sides of that, isn't there? Because one is how often we say, no, no, I am playing big, no I am. When actually on paper we might be, but for us, no we're not. Exactly as you say, no we're not. And the other side of it is I think there are a lot of people out there who say, but I don't want to play big, I don't need to change the world. I don't need to, I don't know, be famous. I don't need to, whatever it might be, become a multi-millionaire business person, whatever it is.

but that's not what this is about, stepping into a place of your power and your fullness and playing big on your terms. isn't, I mean, maybe it is for some people it will be, but it isn't necessarily about that. It's putting your energy out there in the right way for you, in the kind of circles for you. that, as far as I'm concerned, if that touches one person or two people or three people.

And that's really beautiful and that's really powerful. It doesn't need to touch millions and millions. If it does, that's also cool. But I think sometimes we think because we live in this huge global world, global world, we think sometimes that playing big must look a certain way, must be a certain way. And it absolutely doesn't have to. It's gonna be different for each of us and that's the beauty of this.

leslie_field (36:15.222)

Absolutely. It's such a good reminder. I love that you said that. I'm like, I'm doing a lot. I have things happening. And no. Then I looked inside. I was like, you're holding back. You were actually one of the people, which perfectly leads me into something else, but you and someone else almost directly through just the work that I, which I will reference what it is in a minute with you and someone else that I've been working with, you both reminded me like you're such a powerful person.

ceryn (36:25.562)

you

leslie_field (36:43.336)

And I know we think of power and what is power and we all have our associations with power, but there is something about that. And I'm maybe going to not say this exactly right. And I know that you speak a lot about this, but that internal, like that internal power, you know, and you were one of the people in my life who were like, there's so much in there. Like it's, you're ready. Like tap into it. It's there, you know.

ceryn (37:07.438)

and I'm so excited that you are. But I agree, because when we think of this idea of power, and I talk about this in the book actually, we've been sold this idea of what power is, and often when you say to people, do you want to step into your power, they'll go, I don't need to be above anyone else. I don't need to be in charge of anyone else, and so on and so forth, because we've been sold this idea that power has to be kind of top down, it has to mean power over something. And actually, the power that we are speaking of here is a power within ourselves.

leslie_field (37:09.101)

Hahaha

ceryn (37:37.294)

that instead of imposing it upon other people, we use it to inspire other people and not to inspire them to do as we say or do as we do, but to inspire them in that old cheesy way of, when someone lights a candle, you can light a million more candles from the flame. It's that we ignite that power within ourselves and other people then look to that and can be inspired to ignite their own power. And I think power is one of those concepts that we really have been sold a bit of a.

bit of a lie about what it is over the years and so even just to reconnect with that is such a journey to figure out what it means for us and then to go ahead and and do it. But I agree you are incredibly powerful so I'm very glad that you're putting that power out in the world.

leslie_field (38:20.814)

Thank you. And I think it just also connects so beautifully with reminding people about that, that the sovereignty and the power inside of your own body, it is yours. And the ability to what the whole point of this is, I believe you can heal yourself. And there's many other people out there who have healed themselves or who have talked about the different ways that you can heal yourself. And that's what this podcast is about. I'm seeking those people who have knowledge that can remind us.

that we can heal ourselves. And so that reminder of that power that we have inside of us is just, it's important. So thank you. Now, speaking of sort of the last thing that I want to talk about is that I recently worked with Ceryn and I hired her to do my soul integration reading. I will be very honest at first. I was like, I don't really know what this is, but Ceryn and I were talking about some sort of

past life stuff that was coming up and you were, Ceryn, you were saying like, well, I should do a soul integration reading for you. And, and obviously you weren't like, buy my services, but no, I was like, no, I was like, I need to do this. I am going to pay you for your time and your energy. And I was, I mean this, I was really blown away with what you shared with me. Before you tell people what soul integration readings are, I just wanted to say my brief experience is that what you shared with me just,

touched so deeply inside of me. Now, I do have a skeptical side. A side that goes, I don't know about all this. This past life stuff and the soul journey and things and what, what, what, what. But then I listen to what you shared with me and I can't deny the fact that it hits my body so deeply. And I've done a lot of work over the past years, thank goodness for my therapist, who's reminded me that my body is such a truth teller. And we do know this, but

ceryn (40:16.612)

Mm-hmm.

leslie_field (40:16.67)

goodness, I want to pretend and think, she doesn't know what she's talking about, but by golly, she does. And so now that I'm listening to her more and respecting her and giving her her time to say what she wants to say and believe in her wisdom, I share that because when I got your soul integration reading, I'm watching what you created for me and what you channeled for me, it was like hitting me like right in my gut, right in my chest that I can't deny that it feels so real.

And so, like I said, I have that skeptical side that was like, what is this? The other side that's like, whoa, I could feel this. So now that I've led up to what a soul integration reading is, can you briefly tell everyone about this amazing gift that you have and that this beautiful gift that you offer to people if they so choose to commission you for it? Tell us what is a soul integration reading.

ceryn (41:08.154)

Firstly, thank you, because that was a, I feel like I need to record that somewhere and keep it and just play it to people. That was a hell of a testimony. Yeah, well, duh. So, soul integration reading, I guess, is what it feels like I've been working my way to doing for the last about 20 years. So put very simply, it's a mediumship reading.

leslie_field (41:13.516)

You will. I'll pull it for you.

ceryn (41:32.026)

slash a remote healing session, I guess. A soul integration reading, it comes via video, which I love to do, because for me being quite introverted, if I'm in a room with someone, it always puts me off my stride. So if I'm just on video, I'm not there, I can be in their energy without it being too intense, it's all good. But from your perspective, it also means it's there. You can watch it as many times as you want for the next however many decades if you want to, which is a really cool thing, I think.

And it's kind of split into two. So the first one is a channeling, which is where it's very weird. Cause I effectively, I kind of opened up a ritual space, a sacred space. And then I sort of step out of my energy field and just say, right, if there's any guides, any ancestors, anyone who wants to come in and talk to you, let's let them do it. And so they effectively, and by they, mean spirit, effectively come and talk through me. So it's my face, but it's someone else's words. It's someone else's voice at times.

It's a funny experience until you've actually done it yourself. It's quite a funny one to watch, but what that means is I'm not there being the gatekeeper. It means that anything that needs to be said to you just gets said without me kind of stepping in and going, hold on. Conscious brain wants to ask this question and doesn't feel like that's logical. It just comes out. And I think that's where it can be really potent. can be, I had a client a few months ago who said it's an energy activation.

is what this is. Like we are activating energy when we hear these channels, these channelings, which is probably a very succinct way to put it. And then the second part of it is more like your traditional reading. So I will tell you what I'm seeing, what I'm experiencing. But it's again, it's not just as simple as I have your great grandmother here and she says X, and Z. We go into your past lives. We go into the collective energies. We tap into the earth and...

just anything and everything that comes up. it's quite powerful. It all tends to, they tend to be quite healing energetically, but they also tend to be almost, okay, now here are what you're being encouraged towards in terms of your next steps. This isn't me saying this is what you must do, but a client said to me a little while ago, I feel like you've just given me my spiritual development plan for the next six months.

ceryn (43:54.648)

And I thought that's a really good way of putting it actually because they almost say, you you need to look into this, consider this. I feel like we've got X, Y and Z going on. Don't know what that means for you, but here's the bits, turn them into a puzzle picture. So it does, it almost feels like, okay, here's the next stage of your journey. Go, go, go.

leslie_field (44:15.51)

I love that. No, I, and you know, I do my own work and my own meditation and I work with other people that have sort of, like I said, I'm doing my bit to maybe develop my own sensitivity and skills thinking about the different Claire's, which there's, I believe seven Claire's, there's Claire Audient, Claire Sentient and all the things. So I've been doing my own personal work and you know, these things don't happen overnight. I mean, they could, I'd be like, it is, it's on. But I share this because

ceryn (44:40.858)

Mm.

leslie_field (44:44.174)

I receive my own messages or synchronicities when I'm doing my own meditation or my own private ritual work. And you're like, okay, there was that. But it was so great because when I had this whole integration reading, I already had a few questions or there were things that came together. And it's so interesting because like you said, that spiritual development plan, there was something about roses in my reading.

I just keep, I haven't even shared this with you. I keep thinking about this rose that my mom had on her chain, on her necklace when I was a child. And when I was a little girl, I would always try to like put it in my mouth. I know that sounds really weird. I was like a little child, but it's funny because I can't stop thinking about this rose since, and some, since our reading together. And I just think it's interesting because a lot of us, you know, we go through our daily lives of I got to shower, I got to go to the grocery, I got to take the kids to dinner. I got to walk the dogs.

But what I think is fascinating is sometimes you have these little like thoughts that kind of like keep coming back into your head and you go, that's weird. And you go about your day. But I've learned through my own work and working with people like you that it's like, wait a second, let's take a quick pause here and go, why does that, why does that rose keep coming into my head so much so that I asked my mom about the necklace and she said, no, I think someone stole it from me. And then I keep going, well then I know it's really sad, but I still know what it looks like in my head. So then I've for the past week going, I should just make.

ceryn (46:01.848)

leslie_field (46:08.736)

I should just commission a rose necklace to be made because... So it's just so interesting, like you said, it's, you know, that spiritual development plan. There's something about the reading that I had and why the heck am I still thinking about roses? It makes no sense, but it does make sense, if you know what I mean.

ceryn (46:25.171)

Yeah, yeah. And it's interesting because I think, I mean, there's a lot of information that comes through in these readings. So if we were going to have this conversation three months down the line, having watched it another couple of times, you would probably tell another story because the thing is that we all have so much going on at any given time. It's hard to filter.

It's sometimes hard to filter even just those messages as you say, but it's really hard to filter all of it. There's a lot going on at any given moment. And so I think what's quite good about, well, a good reading, because we all know that there are readings out there that aren't quite so good, but what's really good about a good reading is that it will help to focus your attention on the things where it's like, look here, look here, this is important.

And then perhaps if you were to watch it three months down the line, there'd be something else that was like, okay, you've looked at that. Now over here, please, this is important for you. And I think that for me, that's something that's really vital about this is that actually it helps to focus our minds in a world that will happily lead us on a merry dance. And before we know it, six months have passed and we don't feel like we've made any progress anywhere. This is a bit of a, it's like a KPI at work. Okay, this is what you're focusing on next. And then this one and then this one, which I think is really useful for us.

leslie_field (47:40.014)

you

my god, you just said the word KPI, I bet there's gonna be like some listeners like, understand now.

ceryn (47:47.514)

Exactly, that's the way I look at it as well. I worked in the corporate world for a long, long time and I think it's important. I used to, I always remember, which is probably why I remember that bit of feedback from that client, because I loved it. Because I always remember when I first started really diving into my whole spiritual journey and diving into doing this work, I would say, the thing is, I might be guided to do a certain thing, but I don't get a job description from Spirit. I don't get KPIs. I don't get goals and targets that I have to hit.

How am I supposed to know? And so I love the fact that this client said to me, it's like my job description for the next six months spiritually. was like, thank you, thank you very much.

leslie_field (48:26.496)

It's so perfect. It's so perfect. my gosh. last thing. Talk about surrendering. Talk about surrendering to just what you're being led to. That's a big one too. how I'm reminded that surrendering is very much connected more with like feminine energies, you know? Whereas a lot of, yeah, and a lot of our world is about like KPI and linear focus.

ceryn (48:47.642)

Yeah, and it's hard.

leslie_field (48:55.842)

these are the things we much, rrr, rrr, right? So I love it because even the work you do, brings me back into sort of a flow, into the more feminine flow because a lot of our world sort of says, you know, doing, and we say masculine and feminine, like you said, we all have masculine and feminine inside of us. But like I was sort of alluding to, we sort of have a world that sort of recognizes, applauds, you know, gives all the awards to sort of the masculine way of doing things. Not saying the feminine is,

ceryn (48:56.718)

This is next. Yeah.

leslie_field (49:26.19)

Totally not. But you know what I mean? It's sort of like must achieve, must be productive. These are the things that make you money. These are the things, these are all the ideas that were sold and told, right? So it's so beautiful that even you have to, you're sharing with us and which it's a great reminder that surrendering and, but healing is interesting to bring it back to healing. I haven't quite figured this out yet because there's sort of like with healing, there's a surrender, but there also has to be a forward momentum. And I haven't,

ceryn (49:36.26)

Yeah.

leslie_field (49:55.884)

I haven't really figured that out yet. I don't really know what I'm saying, but I, I'm still trying to reconcile what that is, you know?

ceryn (50:02.65)

And I wonder if there is even a, because I think that is such a big point, not just a valid point, a huge point. And I wonder if there is even something to figure out there. I feel like it's a constant journey of figuring out, because that balance between action and surrender is different in any given day, any given hour, any given second. It's different. And I think this is where, for me, this is where there is a challenge in the world at the moment, that we live in a world, as you say, that is go, go, go.

Action, action, action. If you're not taking action, you are failing. If you are not taking action, you can't complain that nothing has changed. So for example, if you are somebody who has a chronic illness, for example, well, there are days we all know we can't take action. There are weeks, there are months that the best action we can take is to kind of get up and go to the bathroom when we need to, and that's about it. No action. But at the same time, if we fall into that trap of,

leslie_field (50:50.198)

No action. Yeah, yeah, no action. And that's about it. Yeah, like you said.

ceryn (51:01.018)

Permanent surrender which I think there are a lot of the more spiritual side of things out there at the moment that will teach this that will teach Well, what you need to do is surrender if you surrender this will all be alright Do you know how so how hard it is to surrender when well you do I know this but how hard it is to surrender when your body is not doing What you wanted to do when you are in constant pain? when you are struggling when you are in a place of of hardship in some way shape or form surrenders really tough and also

for all of the beauty and the power of surrender, we have to keep moving. We also have to, we kind of have to encourage ourselves sometimes. We have to keep moving in different ways. And I think that balance, this is in many ways what the book is about. know, my book, The Divine Feminist is all about balancing that masculine energy or that yang energy with that yin energy or that feminine energy and figuring out, what does that look like for us in any given moment? What is the flow? And I think certainly when it comes to healing, that...

balance between surrender and action is one of the biggest challenges, but also the biggest opportunities that we have. And you know what? You can listen to your doctor, you can listen to your therapist, you can listen to your man on a mountain top, can listen to whoever you want about that. But in any given moment, the only person who will ever know the right balance for you between action and surrender is you. We have to be our own authority with that. And we have to challenge ourselves sometimes with it on both sides of that scale.

but we have to be our own inner authority on that otherwise we'll either find ourselves driving ourselves into a wall or not really doing a great deal and never getting anywhere very fast.

leslie_field (52:41.323)

I think you really touched upon something that I've been thinking about. Like I said, I'm like, what, what is that? I got to go, but I need to stop. need to, but I think it's exactly what you said. It's the balance. So thank you. That was a big like aha moment for me right now. I'm like, because I always say that I, I'm a person who loves to be harmony. I like harmony. I don't like discord. I don't like things being super out of balance. I love to be in the middle. It's my favorite place to be.

ceryn (53:03.053)

Mm.

leslie_field (53:09.198)

And so it's interesting. I didn't realize that that's maybe the message all along. You're trying to find that balance and find that harmony. So thank you for working through that with me. That was really helpful. I appreciate that. Well, before we close, I just wanted to maybe have you say a few things about the things you're working on now. I know you have your project Earthwork. Okay, by the way, Ceryn is in my book famous because I opened up the UK magazine called Spirit and Destiny. Did not know Ceryn was featured in this said magazine.

ceryn (53:19.445)

Thank you.

leslie_field (53:38.944)

And I flipped it open last night before we were supposed to have this conversation. I'm like, did you, did Ceryn's literally in my magazine the night before we were supposed to record this. So she's in the spirit and destiny magazine for August, 2022. Look her up. You also have your divine feminist book, which you've been referencing and your divine feminist community, which I'm a part of. And obviously you do your soul integration readings and your coaching and all the things, but tell me a little bit about.

briefly Project Earthwork and maybe anything else you want to share about what you're working on right now.

ceryn (54:10.132)

So Project Earthwork is a really cool project I guess it's very close to my heart it's myself and a group of friends a small group of friends that are well they're now all based here in the UK but two of them come from from further afield and we meet every month and it's completely free to join us the meeting is online and we run a session that is all aimed at connecting with Earth's energies and supporting the Earth.

to kind of heal ourselves, to help ourselves, know, just supporting the earth to rebalance herself, I guess. We do meditation, we have a channeling from through or through me, I should say. And we generally have a sound bath as well through the lovely Rachel, who is incredible. And the meditation is by a friend of mine called Yolande. It's incredibly deep and beautiful.

We get people dialing in from all over the world. You can watch the backlog of those meditations on YouTube if you'd like to. They're just really potent and they're really good fun as well. They're just lovely to be a part of. So yeah, Project Earthwork is something that I'm very passionate about and that I really love to do. And as I say, completely free to get involved with. So why wouldn't you? It's always a good one. So yeah, that's that. And then in terms of the work with me, as you say, there's always a lot going on. Soul integration readings are there.

leslie_field (55:16.526)

You

ceryn (55:25.922)

I offer, and I offer two different types of kind one-to-one work, one of which is a long-term and generally focused on just unlocking your power, unlocking that power of your soul and using it to help right across everything in life. And the other one is called Soul Support, and it's very targeted. You kind of come in with a specific thing that you want to work on, and we will have three to six sessions, largely because that's pretty much all it takes, and we'll work on that specific issue, that specific challenge, and we'll get...

as much insight as we can, do as much healing as we can, and then we'll see where we get to with that. So I guess they are the main ways to work with me. And then run a variety of courses, a variety of workshops throughout the year as well that are all linked to all of this stuff, all of this really at the crux of it connecting with your soul's power, with all of the wisdom it holds, all of the beauty it holds, and helping to bring that back into your life every single day.

And then as you mentioned before Leslie, at some point we will be running a Mary Magdalene retreat as well, so do keep your eyes peeled for that.

leslie_field (56:28.2)

How could I forget to say that before we close this conversation? Of course, I'll be linking all of your social media things, your website, and all the beautiful work that you do in the show notes. And it's just been such a pleasure to speak with you. Thank you, thank you, Ceryn, for coming on and speaking to our listeners here at Sick and Seeking.

ceryn (56:47.822)

Thank you, thank you so much for having me and thank you so much for doing this work. Not only because it's you and your power, but also because it's so important for so many people out there to hear all these different options. So thank you.

leslie_field (56:59.032)

Thank you and you're welcome and thank you. I don't know all the things so.